Interview with a French vaccination expert Professor Christian Perronne & P.h.D. Anne-Marie Yim

A Ph.D. in Organic Chemistry and a Vaccination expert were asked about their opinion on what these "vaccines" actually are, the Mis-treatment of Covid in hospitals, and more.

This will be a summary of the original Interview Transcript of the UK Column Interview with Professor Christian Perronne and Dr. Anne-Marie Yim, July 2021

Professor Perronne is the head of the medical department of the Raymond Poincaré Hospital in Garches, the teaching hospital of the University of Versailles-St. Quentin near Paris and has for many years determined French vaccination policy and chaired the National Consultative Group on Vaccination, also known as the Technical Committee on Vaccination (CTV).

Anne-Marie Yim is a French citizen and was born in Cambodia. She has a Ph.D. in organic chemistry on peptide proteins at the University of Montpellier, a post-doctorate in proteomics, the identification of membrane proteins, at the University of Michigan with Professor Samir Hanash, a well-known expert in this field. She also worked with Professor Borschitz [name changed] on the inflammatory process in rheumatoid arthritis. Additionally, she has a Masters in Intellectual Property and since 2018 I have been studying law related to patent engineering [preparing patent applications] at CEIPI in Strasbourg.

Christian Perronne: I am not against vaccinations because I have been shaping vaccination policy in France for many years. But the problem is that the products they call "vaccines" for Covid-19 are not really vaccines.

Maybe genetic modifiers; from a scientific point of view, I am not exactly familiar with the correct term. But when you inject messenger RNA to produce a large amount of a spike protein, a fragment of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you can't control the process. And the problem is, we know that the RNA in human cells can go back to DNA.

Usually, it goes from DNA to RNA - this may be a bit difficult for a general audience to understand - but it can also go in the opposite direction because we have genes in our DNA in our chromosomes, in our genome, genes in our DNA that are made by Retroviruses are from animals introduced centuries or millennia ago, and these can code for enzymes that can code in the reverse direction. We now know (it is officially published), and now we are finding DNA sequences in the human genome that correspond to the RNA of the virus. This is proof that what I said in an open letter in December [2020] that it is dangerous to inject these products has now been confirmed. And all governments keep going! For me, this is a big mistake.

Anne-Marie Yim: Virology experts who work in the field of vaccines say that it is not a vaccine because when you have a virus - e.g. B. the flu etc. - you take the virus and kill it with formaldehyde or with ultraviolet light (this is called weakening of the virus) so that it is harmless. It is then injected along with a physiological serum and usually an adjuvant to boost the immune system. And that's the definition of a vaccine.

And then, for the core of the vaccine, if you will, you can't use any other vectors if you're going to inject it. But here, at Pfizer and Moderna and BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson [Janssen], it's clearly different: Pfizer, Moderna, and BioNTech are mRNA vaccines, and AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson are DNA viruses. Usually [you start] with the DNA, and the DNA is converted to RNA, and the RNA is read, which brings the ribosome to the S protein [spike protein].

But here we have the sequence of a gene - and this is the first time anything like this has ever been done. So it is clearly genetic material that is being injected into your body. And it shouldn't be called a “vaccine” because that's misleading.

What do you think, what is happening to Covid-19 and the "vaccine" program, and why is it happening?

Christian Perronne: I think this question should be asked of politicians because in the history of infection medicine it has never happened before that a state or politician has recommended systematic vaccinations for billions of people around the world against a disease whose mortality rate is now at 0.05%. That is a very low death rate! And they make everyone afraid that a new so-called "Delta variant" will come from India, but in reality, all these variants are less and less dangerous, and we now know that [with] this so-called "vaccine", in the population, which is vaccinated by and large, precisely with these people the variants arise.

So I don't understand why the politicians and the different authorities in the different countries are calling for mass vaccinations, even though the disease is so mild. And we know that over 90% of cases occur in the very old. And we can treat them: we have therapies. There are hundreds of publications showing that early treatments work: there's hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, ivermectin, zinc, vitamin D, and so on - it works! There are publications!

So all these products, called “vaccines”, are useless because we can very well control an epidemic. The best example is India: Almost one and a half billion people live there in many different states. In the states where people were treated with ivermectin, zinc, doxycycline, and vitamin D, the epidemic stayed on a very low level: it was over pretty quickly. But in the states where they banned those antibiotic and antiviral treatments that act on the virus, and [where] they got the "vaccine" and also Remdesivir (coming from France and Belgium because Remdesivir was so toxic and ineffective: the French and Belgians sent huge amounts of Remdesivir to the Indian population!) have promoted in these areas of India, in which they used "vaccines" and Remdesivir, the epidemic came back, with new deaths. This is proof that early treatment can be successful and the epidemic will be over very quickly.

In all countries where there is massive vaccination with these products (I don't like the term “vaccination”), the epidemic flares up again with new deaths.

So is there a pandemic, has there ever been a pandemic, but should the unvaccinated also be afraid of the current "variants" that are out there and of the coming "variants"?

Christian Perronne: Exactly the opposite! Vaccinated people are at risk from the new variants. The transmission has now shown in several countries that vaccinated people should be quarantined and isolated from society. Unvaccinated people are not dangerous; vaccinated people are dangerous to others. This has now been proven in Israel, where I am in contact with many doctors. There are now big problems in Israel: severe cases in hospitals occur in people who have been vaccinated. There was also a major vaccination program in the UK and there are problems there too.

But the "variants" are not very dangerous either. All "variants" since last year are less and less virulent. This is always the case with infectious diseases. In my hospital, in March / April 2020 the whole building was full of people with Covid-19: fifty patients. And the so-called “second”, “third”, “fourth waves” were only very small waves because the hospitals are no longer full. But the media said all hospitals were full of patients. That is not true. Of course, the epidemic continued, but the "variants" were less and less virulent.

You know, in August 2020 it was said, "The 'Spanish variant' is going to kill all of Europe" - but in the end, there was no real problem.

Then it was: "The British variant!", And then: "The New Zealand variant!", And "The American variant!", And "The South African variant!", And so on. All of this is just media stuff. It's not scientific. The “delta variant” is of very low virulence. If you look at the official disease and death rates in Brazil and India, the last two countries in the world where the disease is actively transmitted, all the curves go down. And now the epidemic is as good as over in many countries around the world.

But now governments are obliging their citizens to get these so-called "vaccines" - and in the countries where they did so after the epidemic had ended, the epidemic returned and deaths began again.

In Vietnam, for example, it was an amazing success, they only had a few dozen deaths over more than a year, [the epidemic] was over, and then one of the ministers said, “We have to vaccinate the whole population!” The vaccination is now almost mandatory, and after this vaccination campaign started, the epidemic came back and fatal cases reappeared. This is proof that these vaccinations are not a vaccine, but can encourage a recurrence of the disease and death.

So could you comment on this, including whether the lockdown and “vaccination” policy was the right one, or whether herd immunity as originally discussed would have been a better way forward?

Christian Perronne: As for the lockdowns, we now have evidence that it was completely useless in comparison with many countries in the world, because the countries with the strictest policies of restricting civil liberties, etc., like France - France is one today Masters of the suppression of freedoms - got the worst results in the world.

At the end of June 2020 we were [already] able to look at lethality. Lethality is the death rate of diagnosed cases. We could perhaps add PCR testing as the third factor in the equation - PCR testing isn't very reliable - but PCR testing didn't exist back then, and the diagnosis was based on the doctor, on a chest CT scan and so on. and that was a good and reliable diagnosis.

France was the worst country in the world. Yemen was slightly worse than France, but Yemen is a country at war where the health system has been destroyed and hospitals have been destroyed. And imagine that France, which was ranked the best system in the world by the WHO ten years ago, had the worst results in terms of mortality, lethality, in the world!

We can't really rely on the statistics in many countries because, in the PCR tests, where the RNA of the virus is amplified when you have small fragments from this smear in your nose, the PCR tests amplify them much more and so we have many, many false positives.

Since August 2020 [until today] most of the so-called "positive cases" are false positive. So the so-called “second wave”, “third wave” was invented. Of course, the epidemic wasn't over; there were also new cases and, unfortunately, people who died. I agree. But now the numbers are no longer reliable.

Anne-Marie Yim: I agree, because the PCR test was developed by a scientist named [Christian] Drosten, and it has been shown that with an amplification threshold of over 25 [cycles] - if you exceed 45 or 50 [cycles ] works like some laboratories do - 97% false positives and only 3% true positives are achieved. So these tests are very unreliable.

That's why a doctor, Dr. Hérault [name changed], suggested that instead of a PCR test, serological tests should be carried out, that is, one examines the plasma and [measures] the dose of protective antibodies directed against the Covid virus. It's much more reliable. If the dose [required] is high, it means that one is protected and does not need a vaccination. This is what we have to tell people: that they are protected.

And like I said, the wife of [Professor] Adrian [VS] Hill, the scientist who invented AstraZeneca's vaccine, said we can't get herd immunity through vaccination.

I believe the WHO said that herd immunity should be achieved when 80% of the population is vaccinated - but that's just a legal definition that is not scientifically based. Therefore, it should be considered null and void. It shouldn't apply. You can't do that because herd immunity is the specialty of [Professor] Dolores Cahill, an immunologist who is an expert in the field, and she said that once you get infected and don't die, [ie] you recover the innate immune system produces antibodies for life. Your B-lymphocytes, which are in the bone marrow, make antibodies.

There is a recent study carried out by a Thai doctor in Germany, Dr. Sucharit [Bhakdi]. He presented some results that say the antibody levels were measured in people who received the first and second injections. They found out that immunoglobulin M is not detected, but immunoglobulin G and A, ie it is the long-term antibodies that are present.

When your body first comes into contact with a virus, it produces immunoglobulin M, which is the first reaction. But if the antibody knows the virus and your body has memorized it and recognizes it, then you release immunoglobulin G and A. And that's exactly what happens after the first and second injections. So this proves that we have already achieved herd immunity.

Christian Perronne: Just one comment to add to what Anne-Marie said: we should have reliable serological tests by now. Serology involves taking a blood sample and looking for the antibodies your body has made against a virus if you had the disease weeks or months ago. The problem is, no laboratory in the world has developed a reliable serological test. That's awful.

The French doctor David Mendels has published a publication in which he compares several serological tests (about twelve; I don't remember the exact number) from China, Germany, France, and other countries. They were all evaluated by the Pasteur Institute in Paris, France. Most of these tests were bullshit. You could not correctly determine the number of antibodies.

I find this terrible because I think the scientific community did not want to develop reliable serological tests [because of] some conflicts of interest because if we had, we could see today that most British, French, Germans, and Spanish are immune.

But if they showed that it would be a big problem for the drug companies to market because they couldn't enforce the vaccination policy because I believe that most of the people in Europe and other countries around the world are already immune. There is herd immunity.

So they did everything they could to not have reliable serological tests and this is a major scandal to me.

Anne-Marie Yim: That is sabotage.

Christian Perronne: Sabotage, yes.

So my question to you is: what do you think is going to happen next? What is Covid-19 and why are we facing these restrictions and this vaccination policy?

Anne-Marie Yim: Everyone reported that during the last year and the first ban in March 2020, every doctor, such as B. General Practitioners, have received a protocol as Dr. Hawk (e) s [name as heard], or even Dr. Perronne or Dr. Francis Christian in [Saskatoon,] Canada.

Basically, they reported the same thing: that they were overlooked by the policy protocol that was put in place to identify and treat the disease at an early stage, which means that people who had the flu from day one to five should be included Symptoms such as cough or loss of smell, difficulty swallowing and so on, were sent to a center, especially in Luxembourg.

The general practitioners were ordered to close their practice. As Dr. [Benoît] Ochs [in Luxembourg], you have closed your practice. They were forced to work in military centers for 48 to 72 hours, where they were not allowed to treat patients but were only allowed to write a prescription so that the [patients] could be tested to see if they were positive. And then, if they were [positive], they would be sent home with a box of paracetamol or Doliprane [the French marketing name for paracetamol] or whatever.

And they waited for complications to arise by day 12 such as that the patient could no longer breathe, that he was short of breath. And when he was breathless he would dial 112 [emergency number] and then they would send an ambulance and take him to the intensive care unit, the emergency room, where he was put into an artificial coma, intubated, and oxygenated. They were not allowed to take heparin, an anticoagulant.

When they then also the ingestion of [one word unclear; possibly "hydroxychloroquine"] was banned, complications arose and people suffered a stroke. Their lungs failed, there was a cytokine storm, an inflammatory process, and they had water in their alveoli, and then they lost 40 to 60% of their lung capacity and could not breathe. The oxygen-CO2 exchange no longer worked, so that the brain and other organs could no longer be supplied with oxygen, which led to complications such as tissue necrosis.

And [then] they would get a bacterial infection and then sepsis and they would die. So you would only have a 50% chance of recovery.

Now everyone agrees that this was a major political mistake and that this protocol is total malpractice. Doctors must treat patients at an early stage and not allow the disease to progress to the point where people die. [Refusal of treatment is called “non-assistance à personnes en danger” in the French penal code, so it is a doctor's duty not to let people die. The Hippocratic oath says "primum non nocere", which means something like: "First of all, you must not do any harm". So one must not harm the patient, and here we are clearly harming the patient.

Doctors in France are [mocked] by people as "four-dimensional doctors". The four Ds stand for Doliprane [paracetamol], domicile ["send home"], dodo, which means "sleep", and finally décès, "death". That is totally wrong. And now all the scientists have researched and found that acetaminophen actually triggers a cytokine storm that leads to organ failure.

They found that paracetamol is able to induce oxidative stress, that is, when superoxides are formed (when there is a lack of oxygen, a molecule called oxygenase, which has great oxidative power, is formed). Paracetamol is able to block an enzyme called glutathione reductase.

As a result, the body is unable to break down these reactive oxidative species (ROS) into water and oxygen. In plain language, this means that paracetamol blocks the body's own mechanism for breaking down ROS, which leads to apoptosis, the death of cells. That's what it means.

So now we know that acetaminophen [as a treatment] is wrong.

Professor Perronne, how do you rate the currently registered adverse effects?

Christian Perronne: In the past, there have been some crises with other, real vaccines, problems with some side effects; but neither in myself nor in friends and relatives have I ever seen such severe side effects. I even know of two deaths in my environment: the mother of a friend and a man, the cousin of another friend, who died as a result of the "vaccine".

As a French citizen, I see deaths and paralysis around me. A woman, a neighbor who was vaccinated, developed malignant arterial hypertension a few days later; she has not had high blood pressure in her entire life. Multiple thromboses, some paralysis, arthralgic [joint pain] problems - I've seen many cases in my area.

I believe the databases [of adverse reactions] are not accurate in some countries because in the cases I've seen, I know the general practitioners [GPs] didn't want to report the death or side effect to the authorities, saying: "No, it's just a coincidence!"

So many, many side effects are not reported. When they have a stroke they say, “Oh no, it's not the vaccine; it's [just] a stroke; this person was old, so it's normal to have a stroke. "

As I speak to my patients (I have some patients who are senior company directors) I know - and they tell me - that the doctors in the big companies where many employees have been "vaccinated" (I use the Not happy with the term “vaccinated”), [saw that they] had problems, but the occupational doctors did not want to report the cases to the French authorities. So it is not associated with the "vaccine"; it is dismissed as "coincidence".

If we compare the French database with the Dutch one, with the same proportion of vaccinated patients [in both populations], the reporting rate in France is much lower. That's not normal! But if we then look at the European level, we see that there are large numbers of deaths and serious side effects.

We know - the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control in the United States, has officially confirmed this - that many young people who have been "vaccinated" have had heart problems: myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, or pericarditis, an inflammation of the envelope around the heart. So this is official; it is reported worldwide.

And when we compare the death rate in others, we find that it could be similarly high in vaccinated children. As we know, the disease [Covid-19] is not that common in children and very few children are seriously ill and the [Covid] death rate in children is close to zero. We now know that vaccinated children are much more likely to die or have serious problems than unvaccinated children.

And now in some countries, we see that most of the problems, most of the cases, come from vaccinated people who transmit the disease. And of course, this is not the official language, but in France, the government lies: They say: "Although we have seen some cases, it is the fault of the unvaccinated who infect the vaccinated."

I am a member of the Louis Pasteur Institute and have worked in the field of vaccinations for many years. It is the first time in my life that I have heard from companies, from manufacturers, from ministers, from WHO [such speeches]: “It's a very good vaccine - but we have to tell you that you can still get the disease if you are vaccinated! And we're not sure, but it could slow down the transmission. "

That's not normal. When you are vaccinated with an effective vaccine, you are protected. You should no longer have to wear a mask and be able to lead a normal life. But in many countries, it is said: "Oh, you may be vaccinated, but you are not really protected". And now they say to the vaccinated - who should actually be protected, who should have confidence - "Oh, the unvaccinated will infect you!"

As for the "health passport," you know they published [this proposal] in Israel five weeks ago, and you were on the verge of a civil war in Israel. There was fighting within the families. The “vaccine” was compulsory for doctors and students. And now they have stopped that [requirement].

In France, President Macron will be due tomorrow evening [12. July] will deliver a speech and is expected to say [as he has already done] that vaccination will be compulsory for health workers, health care providers, and for participation in some [aspects of] public life. I think this is a major scandal and I believe that if we take this route there will be a civil war.

Anne-Marie Yim: As you said, the official number of deaths from “vaccinations” is around 15,000 [across Europe]. It was originally 14,000, but the number has increased and we now officially have 15,000 deaths [registered on the pharmacovigilance network [Eudravigilance]. Indeed, too little is reported. One speaks of 10%, in France sometimes even 5%. So you should multiply that number by [up to] a hundred, yes.

First: why is too little reported? Because that's what a doctor should do: For example, if you are vaccinated and have side effects, you should see a doctor and tell them about it. He then has to fill out an online form that takes fifteen minutes and is forwarded to a network.

For example, in Luxembourg, we have to send it to the group in Nancy [Eastern France] because we work with the [French] Région du Grand Est. That's why the numbers are lower [than in real life] and underreported: Whether CDC or VAERS, all these official bodies report blood clots to AstraZeneca, and Pfizer has Bell's palsy.

As Professor Perronne says, myocarditis can develop, especially in young people. That's what Dr. Hervé Seligmann: In Israel, it has been found that young people develop myocarditis, especially men under 45. As Professor Perronne says, there is a correlation [between age and mortality from the Covid vaccine]: many old people die, but not young people.

And why? Because [the young] have high levels of glutathione and therefore do not die; they are protected compared to the oxidative stress caused by vaccination [in the elderly].

I want to emphasize that while I know we are not talking about treatments, it is very important [to point out] that people who receive intravenous glutathione injections do very well because they do so oxidative stress relieves effects.

The secondary undesirable [reactions] are basically a cytokine storm that leads to organ failure. And that can be the heart, the brain, the lungs, or the kidneys. The process can occur [in any of these organs]. Lung disease develops very quickly, and when it reaches a certain stage, this inflammatory process occurs and these clots develop, which then migrate all over the organs.

If they go to the brain, you have [a thrombosis]; Of course when they go to the heart you have this whole inflammatory process, this leakage of water into the organ, and then the organ stops functioning.

Basically, your vital functions are paralyzed. It can be very abrupt and brutal, and all within 24 hours.

Allergic reactions such as anaphylactic shock and sometimes bleeding from the skin have also been reported.

These are very serious adverse reactions and yet the media keep telling us, "The vaccine is safe, it is effective, and the benefits far outweigh the risks, so we should keep vaccinating people"!

In my opinion, this is all propaganda. The reality is that the vaccine is not working. So basically it triggers the aging process and cancer, and that's just the beginning. I think that's the beginning of what we're going to see.

You're lying to us. They say it is safe; no it's not safe, it kills people. It actually kills people. It does not protect against the variants; it does not protect against portability; it does not protect against the disease.

So why is vaccination? The people who get “vaccinated” say, “Oh, because I want to travel. I want to go on vacation. I want to go to school. I want to be able to take my exam. I want to be able to go to the restaurant. I want to have a normal life. ”That's basically what people say.

They researched and found that there is a lipid nanoparticle made by a company called Acuitas Therapeutics [of Canada] that supplies it to Pfizer / BioNTech [and] Moderna.

They [the lipid nanoparticles that are used to administer Covid-19 vaccines] consist of three components: firstly, phospholipids (a fat), binase [as I said], but also polyethylene glycol. And that gets into your brain. It can cross the blood-brain barrier. Usually, it shouldn't, but it can get into your brain.

If you had power in France, what would you do to resolve the situation you are seeing?

Christian Perronne: First of all, I would stop the so-called “vaccination campaign”. I would encourage early treatment with ivermectin, zinc, vitamin C, and doxycycline or azithromycin with general practitioners.

In addition, I would encourage the strict isolation of symptomatic patients, because this is the only way to contain the transmission: A two-week isolation during the infection period of the symptomatic persons is sufficient, but strictly isolated, with a mask if necessary and so on. Treat them very early. And if you do that, the [broadcast] will end quickly.

I am in favor of strict isolation from symptomatic patients, but the lockdowns that have been introduced in many, many countries around the world are completely nonsensical. You don't stop an epidemic with a cordon, with masks on the street! This has been shown in Denmark in randomized studies with mask wearers and non-mask wearers. The mask is not effective.

So I would immediately restore all civil liberties because France is no longer a democracy, but a dictatorship in which there are only five or six people at the table who can bypass parliament and say: "The vaccination is compulsory" and so on.

So: restore freedom; restore democracy; stop these useless so-called "vaccination campaigns" for a disease with a very, very low death rate; and treat patients immediately [as heard] without confirmation.

In addition, PCR testing on the general asymptomatic population should be discontinued. That is completely unscientific. The people who developed the PCR test have never performed large-scale PCR tests on asymptomatic patients because the rate of false-positive results is enormous.

So it's very simple: you isolate the cases, deal with them, and then it's over.

And, Anne-Marie, what would you say to your scientific colleagues who do not seem to recognize the dangers you are seeing at the moment?

Anne-Marie Yim: I think you see them all, but they are scared.

There are two types of scientists: those who are bribed and corrupted, like Dr. Fauci and all the others like Bill Gates and all these people. You are now in the cockpit.

Good professors like Professor Perronne and Professor Raoult or Dr. Ochs are sued by the medical profession themselves and dragged to court. The Medical Association is suing French doctors, and that is the case in France, Canada, and Luxembourg; we see the same pattern everywhere. This pattern can also be observed here.

You know, we have to have the courage to go up to these people and say, “You are corrupted. All the politics you dictate is nonsense. They are not scientifically based, they are not legally based. You are trying to take our freedoms away from us. You put social pressure on us: if you don't get vaccinated you will lose your job. And if you want to travel, you need the vaccine. This is extortion."

All scientists should have the courage to say: "Enough is enough". Not just scientists, lawyers too. You all know the truth. Everyone knows the truth; it's just a matter of whether we fight or not fight. Do we adapt to society, to the system, or not? And I think that our thirst for freedom and independence should overcome our fear, and we should just say, “Stop. Stop this vaccination campaign. Stop them, and do it now. "

Thank you for this interview, Anne-Marie and Christian Perronne.

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